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08 Oct 2021 10:56:43
Well it kind of seems pointless posting here but this is the Newcastle page so.

I was hoping to hear from fans as to why this takeover is so well supported given who is behind it. Are trophies worth more than people, in the end?

The thing I don't get is why there isn't widespread anger and condemnation about the rules have been so severely bent to accommodate not just a wealthy entity but an entity with appalling human rights records and that does not represent what the British people are. The state and the investment group have only been separated for this deal have they not?

The "sports washing" has already taken place. It just proves that people are only outraged about things that adversely affect them or don't affect them at all (yes I appreciate the irony, but it still needs to be said). And to have people like Alan Shearer, the club's biggest banner-man, to celebrate it like Newcastle fans have been treated like oppressed Saudi women, for example, is a complete joke.

2 of Ashley's 14 years have been spent outside the premier league. Before Keegan took over in 1992 Newcastle were a second division team. The club hasn't won a trophy in 50 odd years so it's not just Ashley without ambition, but he's surely had the club as close to anybody to consistent big club status in that time. Just because they had a couple of seasons of near misses in the 90's does not make them entitled to success and nor does 50000 geordies every week.

What about 40000 Mackems or 40000 loiners? One club cities all.

The thing I find hilariously ironic is the universal condemnation of the ESL, because it was all down to greed, and yet, this deal is about nothing but greed from the premier league and Newcastle fans. It seems the only stumbling block was the piracy issue that meant the PL was losing money. As soon as the Saudi state itself stepped in to negotiate (surely a conflict) the issue was gone.

What a disgrace football has become.

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1.) 08 Oct 2021 15:22:25
I was also advised to ask questions about this purchase on the Newcastle page, but scrolling down there doesn't seem to me activity on it?

Anyway, good points Quo Vadis. I guess I have long ago resigned myself to EPL football as big business, and to international owners who are multibillionaires. I am after all a Chelsea fan! But I have been prodded into action by the fact that this latest purchase moves us beyond the pale.

The Saudi PIF sovereign wealth fund now owes 80% of Newcastle United. Yes, there is supposedly a difference between direct Saudi state control and the control by the Saudi Crown Prince of the country's Public Investment Fund money. In reality, this would still seem to be a whole country's wealth - and a country with the appalling track record on human rights (women's lack of them there, thieves having hands cut off etc) you called out - behind ownership of a football club?!

What next? Norwich bought by North Korea? Brighton by Brunei? Torquay by the Taliban?


2.) 08 Oct 2021 17:13:36
Exactly, good points JBS.

I have spoken, if not for being in favour of the ESL, but for acceptance of it for a chance for the remaining teams being able to make for a more even playing field, so actually, the more mega billionaires that take over PL clubs the better because it means even more competition at the top. I’m a Liverpool fan. It would never be that we would win every year in any competition. I just like the thrill of the chase! But not like this…

This leaves a super sour taste in the already sickly sweet premier league cookie. If/ when Newcastle start winning things and it is celebrated globally, that success will also mean the human rights will be celebrated also. Oppressed people will celebrate the oppressors simply because it is wrapped up in the cloak of football.

Ed’s, obviously it won’t happen, but with a majority vote of 14 teams or something having control of big decisions (or something to that effect), could the premier league clubs ever veto a new owner taking over a club?

{Ed002's Note - No.}


3.) 08 Oct 2021 18:13:29
Ok thanks Ed.


4.) 09 Oct 2021 11:31:55
Another Chelsea fan I’m afraid.

Our governing bodies and governments have turned a blind eye to so many human rights abuses and generally it’s not the role of sport to get involved in politics.

Our clubs continue to play against Russian sides and if there was a financial benefit, I’m sure they would play against Chinese teams as often as they could.

We have a World Cup in Qatar to look forward to (not) and aren’t the most liberal country on the planet.

I continue to have little faith in the UK and European governing bodies and I think we have also seen that greed will out way loyalty to fans when it it comes to some club owners.

I’m not happy about this deal and I have emailed my local MP to that effect.

{Ed002's Note - Which governing bodies are you referring to Tom?}


5.) 09 Oct 2021 11:39:17
Football governing bodies in general Ed.

{Ed002's Note - The football governing bodies have gone to extreme lengths to stop third parties and clubs trying to involve Chinese and other countries in competition with European sides. The issue with Newcastle relates to an ownership concern and is unrelated to anyone but the Premier League.}


6.) 09 Oct 2021 11:49:25
My lack of faith in these governing bodies isn’t just about this issue Ed but I take your point on board as always.


 

 

 

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10 Oct 2021 09:24:46
I heard on the bbc that Newcastle have turned a profit of 100million over 3 years coupled with potential “acceptable” losses of 105 million of the same period means they have 205 million which they can spend and not fall foul of FFP, I am led to believe.

Quo Vadis

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08 Oct 2021 18:13:29
Ok thanks Ed.

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08 Oct 2021 17:13:36
Exactly, good points JBS.

I have spoken, if not for being in favour of the ESL, but for acceptance of it for a chance for the remaining teams being able to make for a more even playing field, so actually, the more mega billionaires that take over PL clubs the better because it means even more competition at the top. I’m a Liverpool fan. It would never be that we would win every year in any competition. I just like the thrill of the chase! But not like this…

This leaves a super sour taste in the already sickly sweet premier league cookie. If/ when Newcastle start winning things and it is celebrated globally, that success will also mean the human rights will be celebrated also. Oppressed people will celebrate the oppressors simply because it is wrapped up in the cloak of football.

Ed’s, obviously it won’t happen, but with a majority vote of 14 teams or something having control of big decisions (or something to that effect), could the premier league clubs ever veto a new owner taking over a club?

Quo Vadis

{Ed002's Note - No.}